Property. Housing Market Crash UK & Europe End Of The Road Or The Edge Of The Cliff?

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By molometer

Housing Market In The UK

O.K. first question. How do we get in? The last few years have been very tough for home owners and also for those trying to buy a home but what are the real reason's that things have gotten so bad, The answer's are right here and it's simple.
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O.K. first question. How do we get in? The last few years have been very tough for home owners and also for those trying to buy a home but what are the real reason's that things have gotten so bad, The answer's are right here and it's simple.

House Price Futures

The short answer is that we are closer to the cliff edge than any sign of a recovery.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has issued a report outlining the continuing downturn.

With unemployment rising fast, job losses and insecurity is now in all sectors, both public and private. Britain is officially back in recession. It could be argued, we never came out of the last one. Spain Ireland and the Greek housing markets are also basket cases.

Fewer people are taking on or are even qualifying for the massive debt, that buying a house brings.

As seen by the lower mortgage approvals and acceptance of the last few months.

Many people, even though they have been approved for a mortgage, are deciding that this is not the right time, to get into financial trouble, as this is what mortgage debt now represents.

Gone are the days when getting a mortgage was a ticket to riches.

Many are waiting to see when the housing market crashes again, and by how much.

If you have a 30% deposit and you are prepared to lose it over the next 5 years, then it may not be a bad move to be buying just now.

If however you intend to stay in the house, you want to buy for the next 20 years, you may break even. Not a very positive set of choices.

How Many Scandals Can One Government Survive

Just when it looked like things were improving in the last quarter of 2011

Another housing market crash came barreling in, on top of the one we already had.

It dashed all hopes of a recovery. Fortunately many people did not buy into this false dawn and saved themselves from huge losses.

Although house prices are tumbling in some areas by 33% and more. It is very hard for many people to accept that their house is worth so much less than they paid for it.

The longer they hang on to these properties the less they are worth.

The penny is slowly dropping and we are beginning to see massive cuts in house prices some as much as 33% all over the UK.

Where Are All The Buyers?

There are no more sensible buyers, everyone knows that people are stuck in houses that are falling in value.

What few buyers are out there, are offering a fraction of what the houses are worth, as they also expect prices to continue down and don't want to buy a falling asset.

Property Prices UK are no longer the hot topic of dinner parties. Nobody wants to hear about how much money has fallen of their house.

So as more people see what was once their pride and joy, depreciating in value.

What are our politicians doing. Not much is the answer. If anything they are making matters worse.

It is hard to believe that David Cameron is still in office, considering the way he is mishandling the country. Two words. Petrol Crisis?

No Home No Vote

In the UK if you have no address you cannot be on the electoral role; which means technically you can't vote anyway.

What politician is going to waste time on the homeless/vote-less? I'm pretty sure similar rules apply in the USA.

The objective of this article, is to try to balance the hype of the banks and loan companies, that are trying to talk up the real estate market. It is dead but hasn't been buried yet.

Why Are 'We' Paying For The PPI Scandal?

The billions of pounds, that have had to be paid back to people, that were mislead (they call it miss sold ) into buying insurance on loans and credit cards by the banks. Usually secured against their home. Is a scandal that is largely being ignored.

Why is the British public stuck with this multi £ billion bill ?

We didn't sell these policies to the public. What is really going on, and who is charge?

No one it seems. What happened to the Labour opposition?

Mortgages In The UK Markets...Who Wants Them Now?

Newpapers Fiddled While Europe Burned. Greece Is Bust?

This kind of story is not helping anyone to face the facts!
This kind of story is not helping anyone to face the facts!

Angry Meter

How angry are you about the housing fiasco?

  • I'm like a Volcano and I'm about to blow
  • I'm angry but I have to watch my blood pressure
  • I'm hacked off. Because I can't get on the housing ladder
  • I really couldn't care less because I'm loaded.
  • I'm not bothered as I don't measure my value by what I possess.
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Running Away Won't Solve Anything

I don't want you to run away scared because of the subject discussed here but to listen for a couple of minutes.

It might save you a lot of pain and definitely a lot of money.

I will be quite candid and state the facts as I have interpreted them over the last 30 odd years.

I am a teacher of ICT and economics and have lectured occasionally on Economics since 1989'

I have seen UK house prices rise and fall over the last 30 years. They do go up and down and people have short memories.

Thankfully I managed to avoid the downswings on the housing market roller coaster during this 30 year period, by taking my own advice and ignoring what the mass media is/was pushing.

So how did we get to this state of affairs, why are we still in them and what's the solution?

The simple facts are:-

(1) Your house and other peoples houses, are and have been overpriced. But nobody cared as long as they were making money.

(2) People are in denial that their house is worth a fraction of what they paid for it. Psychologically this is disastrous for them as they literally cannot see that they must accept the price they have been offered or continue to watch their house values plummet.

(3) Homeowners don't want to hear it and realtors (estate agents in the UK) and politicians don't want to tell them as they want to talk the market up hoping that some miracle is going to happen. It won't.

(4) The value of the pound or dollar in your pocket has plummeted. See below.

That's it. That's all there is to it. Simple.

The newspapers, politicians, people with a vested interest will be bamboozling you and talking about the very complicated state of the economy; (that you may not understand)

This bank has robbed more than that bank, and the government is going to crack down on these criminals. Meanwhile the public get the bill?

Thats great but the money that the government gets back from these dodgy bankers does not go into your pocket to pay your mortgage off it goes to....The Government.

The next time someone is trying to sell you a house or anything else for that matter; offer them what "you" think it's worth.

The one simple fact underlying the current problem is that. "something is only worth; what someone else is prepared to pay for it" Maybe you should just re-read that bit again.

If you want a simpler explanation, think about this.

If you just bought a brand new (not gold) Rolex watch (no it doesn't matter which model) and turned around and walked out of the shop.

How much do you think you could sell it for? Exactly now your getting it.

In economic terms It means that " when prices are right; markets will clear"

It is that simple but people can't take it in; they want more complex answers and consequently they will continue to suffer losses and pain.

Terraced Houses

Who would want to live in a place like this? I did and it was awful and noisy.
Who would want to live in a place like this? I did and it was awful and noisy.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042226/Terraced-homes-price-rise-league-shooting-118-week-d

Value Of The Pound 1989 - 2012

The Pound in your pocket is worth today? .40P
The Pound in your pocket is worth today? .40P

A Pound Is Worth What?

So what is the Pound in your pocket worth today? about £0.40P

When 1960's PM Harold Wilson devalued the pound he went on TV to tell the nation.

There has been a deafening silence in the last 10 years from both Tony Blair and whoever is the UK PM today! O it's David Cameron by the way.

Lets Test Your Reasoning Skills

If a bat and ball is $1.10 and the bat is $1 more than the ball. How much is the ball?

  • 10c
  • 5c
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Answer To The Polls

Are you supposed to be here already? Well o.k. then, just checking!

If you answered I'm hacked off. Because I can't get on the housing ladder.

If you still feel the same way after reading this then you have missed the point and need to speak to a professional.

The bat is a $1.05

The ball is $0.05 hence the bat is worth a whole $1.0 more than the ball.

Don't worry if you got this wrong, so did over 50% of graduates. It's intuitive to think that the ball is $0.10.

The moment that we allowed our homes to be made into just another commodity all the rules went out the window.

Housing Market Crash UK...Again. Latest Interesting House Price Facts

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molometer Hub Author 6 days ago

Hello abbey mezouri,

Where have you been looking? I get regular offers for at 30% plus discounts. I personally wouldn't buy anything just now.

abbey mezouri 7 days ago

HI i am new to this posting.

I have trying to buy a property in London for about 2 year And the prices still have not gone down.

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molometer Hub Author 6 weeks ago

Spring is in the air, traditionally a good time to sell houses? How are things out there, really?

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molometer Hub Author 3 months ago

Hi rontlog,

2 months on and looks like the pennies are starting to drop.

House prices have fallen by 33% in some places!

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molometer Hub Author 4 months ago

Hello rontlog,

Well the latest news on the UK housing market is still looking bad. 2012 UK housing is trending down. With fast rising UK unemployment things can only get worse, and still the government states that prices must fall further. Housing market crash is turning into what housing market!?

Europe is in meltdown with no positive signs from anywhere. How are things with you? lol

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molometer Hub Author 5 months ago

Housing Market Crash UK...Again. Latest Interesting House Price Facts

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molometer Hub Author 5 months ago

Hello rontlog,

I am familiar with the Japanese market, and as you say it took 10 years of falling prices before it hit what people thought was the bottom. And still it fell further and continues apace.

We are only 4 years into this particular cycle in the UK & the US housing markets.

If you think along the lines of Kondratiev's long waves cycle we could have potentially another 21 years of falling prices.

Let us remember that house prices only just got back to 1988 price level comparables in 2005; after the 1988-89 housing market crash.

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rontlog Level 1 Commenter 5 months ago

Thank you for your reply to my comment.

I think in the UK, next year 2012, is going to be the turning point one way or the other. So will it be up, down or another year of sideways prices?

It will be interesting to watch if prices do start to go down. Many potential buyers like myself will choose not to buy and will wait on the sidelines, as they know when their new home drops in value, they will quickly loose their deposit, which they saved hard for.

Plus they will also realise that by waiting houses will get cheaper and cheaper.

I think this happened in Japan?

And I think in Japan it took more than 10 years for the prices to bottom out? That is a long time to wait.

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molometer Hub Author 5 months ago

Hello rontlog,

You really nailed it.

All what you have said is true unfortunately for the woman in the £400,000 house she is going nowhere and fast.

They all seem so blinkered. If 'she' could not afford her house today how does she expect 'her contemporaries' to be able to afford to buy it.

I know Bristol very well. Your right, house prices were high there and comparable to London but as this depression deepens and it is a depression (government printing more money is a sign of that)prices will plummet still further. They have too, as so few can get a mortgage and many people do not want the debt of a house hanging over them for 25 30 years.

I am afraid the property owning UK is now consigned to the waste basket of history.

It only lasted 25 years in reality. Anyone with property now is stuck with it unless they drop their prices big time.

Do you think you should buy that house even at £145? offer £80 and see what they say.

That is all it is really worth. £30k for the land + £40k to build it plus £10k profit for the builder?

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rontlog Level 1 Commenter 5 months ago

I enjoyed reading your hub.

I live in the UK (Bristol) and looking to buy a house.

Bristol prices are second only to London in terms of being really expensive.

It is hard trying to buy as no-one wants to drop their prices, not even 5-10%.

So we are focusing on "Desperate Sellers" (Death or Divorce)- but still not much luck.

I saw a house I liked, the couple who own it bought it for £145k in January 2011. It needed doing up, new kitchen, bathroom, rewiring, it was basically a shell.

The only work the couple have done is put in a new boiler and a few double glazed windows - no more than 5k of work.

The couple have since got divorced and put the house up for sale for .........£175k! - 30K more than they paid for it.

We offered £145k, which is what they paid for it and they were really upset, we upped it to 150K, rejected again, so we have walked away.

They want near asking price but looking at the price history of the road, similar fixer-uppers sell for £145k and done up houses go for 170k.

They are living in cloud coockoo land because for another 20K we can buy into a really good area.

I have a friend at work in her 50's, according to her, her house is worth £400K. Her husband wants to put it up for sale and wait it out until someone comes along to pay the £400k he thinks it is worth.

I asked her if she could afford to buy her house today - her answer was no.

Then she said, I feel really sorry for first time buyers as they can't afford to buy anything. She also has a son and daughter in their early 20's

I explained the average mortgage that people are currently obtaining is £140k.

So I think this is going to be a slow decline, with Desperate / Motivated Sellers leading the way.

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molometer Hub Author 6 months ago

Hi Debra,

Denial would be a start. They are in the main still completely deluded until they try to sell their houses.

The way the banks have pulled up the drawbridge on who qualifies for a mortgage has cut off the first time buyers market completely. Buy to Let landlords have shrunk from 5% of the market to less than 3% in 3 years.

Anyone with property now is stuck with it unless they bite the bullet.

This has far reaching ramifications for labour mobility of course.

Secondly the new loan qualification criteria means that even if you have a mortgage on an existing property the chances are exceedingly slim that you will qualify for a new mortgage.

Primarily because the chances of selling your existing property for the amount of mortgage on it is virtually impossible as you mentioned concerning your friend experience.

Additionally for us we have the carnage that is Europe.

House prices I'm afraid are destined to continue downwards for some time to come.

Thanks for dropping in and leaving such an interesting comment.

Debra L. Stokes-Moore 6 months ago

seems like the UK housing market is about 12 to 18 months behind the US market if there are still people in denial about the value of their homes. Our crash became undeniable to the sane in 2008, but plenty of people remained in denial well into 2010, when they did some math and let their home be foreclosed on them. Had a relative do this, in her late 30's. She was going through a divorce, and realized if the house went on the market, it was worth about $80K less than they had paid for it in 2006 or 2007. Just really ugly. Their giant down payment was gone. They just walked away from it in summer 2009. There was no equity at all left, just an upside down debt. disgusting. Can't understand why the same scenario is playing out in every developed country the same way. I don't know about our voting laws. I guess there has to be an associated address with a voter in order to have an assigned district in which to vote.

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molometer Hub Author 6 months ago

Time for change!

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molometer Hub Author 6 months ago

The days of cheap mortgages are long gone and so are the days of the gullible punter.

The market continues to tank and what advice do we hear from our so called leaders?

Silence!

Distraction and evasion.

Where is our Roosevelt, Lincoln or Churchill.

These current crop of politicians are not "fit for office or purpose"

Apart from Pres. Obama I don't hear any of them with a credible plan.

Or even a plan of any kind except; tighten your belts we are all about to starve.

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molometer Hub Author 7 months ago

Hi Amanda and thanks for dropping by. I remember the time you speak of when you had to show the bank you had X'000's of pounds in order to borrow the same amount i.e.for a mortgage. House ownership in the UK was a minority activity and always has been. What we have seen in the last 20 years is an economic aberration and really was unsustainable under any circumstances.

As you mentioned first time buyers are out of the market and they were a powerful group to lose. Most young adults today have given up the idea of buying a house as they see their friends up to their necks in debt and in negative equity.

Some that I speak to are smug and even taking some grim pleasure that some of their so-called friends are in dire straits. The house owners looked down on them when they were renting. The shoe is on the other foot now with a kind of who's the idiot now mentality?

By the way. Banks would love to get more idiots into the Buy to let market but it's not happening.

The buy to let owners have been hammered in this market and buy to let sales have contracted severely from 5% to less than 2% of the market today. Many landlords are now feeling rather silly.

Cameron needs to get a plan, any plan. cuts and inaction is not an answer.

thanks for your ideas.

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Amanda Severn Level 3 Commenter 7 months ago

It's true that the UK housing market is in a mess. Ideally houses should cost no more than 3 times the average annual income of the home owner. This is a realistic and affordable amount, and in years gone by mortgages were limited in exactly that way. Under Blair and Brown money became very freely available, and the nation went on a spending spree. House prices gallopped upwards because the punters could lay their hands on adequate cash to fund the increase. If the money had not been available there would have been far lower house price inflation. Now that money is less freely available house prices are on the slide, but the bankers are as sly as ever. They know that first time buyers drive the market, so the best way to keep house prices artificially high is to nobble first time buyers whilst at the same time encouraging buy-to-letters.

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molometer Hub Author 7 months ago

Hi wba108 thanks for the visit and comments.

Your correct, it is a fundamental economic fact that:-

"something is only worth; what someone else is prepared to pay for it"

I agree with you about the politicians except that I would put all of them, of all flavours and colours in the business of taking advantage of a gullible public, not to mention the banks and the building societies.

If the public are mortgaged to the hilt, you have a compliant workforce and very few dissenting voices?

House prices are tumbling here and have been for the last 6 years.

The UK government have lied, we never came out of recession at all.

All they did was print more money (200 billion pounds to be exact)and with that cash the UK treasury bought its own government bonds.

In the process they actually devalued the pound. This is a matter of public record.

The real question we must ask ourselves is:-

"Why isn't some politician somewhere screaming about this injustice and mismanagement"?

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wba108@yahoo.com Level 7 Commenter 7 months ago

The truth is often simple but poeple simply don't want to hear it, especially when its hard to hear!

"something is only worth; what someone else is prepared to pay for it"

This is a true statement based on the basic's of economics in a freemarket but politicians will often take advantage of poeple's ignorance if they think it will benifit them. Liberal politicians do this for a living.-Regards-WBA

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molometer Hub Author 7 months ago

Hi Quill Again thanks for the kind comments. Just keeping you guys on the other side of the pond up to date on what is going on here in the UK. There are plenty of houses here as well; dirt cheap but in areas where no-one wants to live.

It's really quite bizarre? If people need somewhere to stay, then their priority should be to get a house and contribute to the community rather than say it's an undesirable area?

"Quill Again" 7 months ago

Housing costs have risen all over the world. I can purchase an home in upscale US here from Canada af less than half the appraised value. It is a gold mine for anyone willing to invest right now.

Thank you for the hub on what is happening in the UK as well and the values and the way they have changed on your currency. The world at present is watching the markets and unsure of the direction things are going with the riots, wars and debt crises with Greece. Canada has a relatively secure market right now.

Blessings from Canada

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molometer Hub Author 7 months ago

Hi Everyone I have developed this article and clarified the situation in the housing market and would like comments. How do things seem to you?

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